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		<title>By: Akku</title>
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		<dc:creator>Akku</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 20 Feb 2010 11:21:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well thats true of course. All that I wrote are no &quot;facts&quot;, its just what has been rumored all the time - inlcuding that the use of the .NET and WPF-stuff slowed the system down to some degree. Maybe I was also mis-stating &quot;speed&quot; for &quot;less recource hungry on not-so-fast PCs&quot;. Btw. Windows 7 lets you turn off the resource-hungry features that are just turned on per default. From practical experience I have to say that .NET is always slower than its C counterpart - no matter if in theory that shouldn&#039;t be the case.
Thanks for the comments - well appreciated!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well thats true of course. All that I wrote are no &#8220;facts&#8221;, its just what has been rumored all the time &#8211; inlcuding that the use of the .NET and WPF-stuff slowed the system down to some degree. Maybe I was also mis-stating &#8220;speed&#8221; for &#8220;less recource hungry on not-so-fast PCs&#8221;. Btw. Windows 7 lets you turn off the resource-hungry features that are just turned on per default. From practical experience I have to say that .NET is always slower than its C counterpart &#8211; no matter if in theory that shouldn&#8217;t be the case. </p>
<p>Thanks for the comments &#8211; well appreciated!</p>
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		<title>By: Bjoern</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bjoern</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 19 Feb 2010 13:53:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I have to disagree. .NET isn&#039;t like the Java Runtime Environment, which compiles to byte code which is then interpreted. .NET compiles to MSIL but before execution that is always compiled to native code, no interpreter involved. There are even cases where managed code is faster than unmanaged. .NET is just one way to program visuals in Vista (or XP or 7), but it&#039;s not the only and not all visuals of Vista are created with .NET. I wouldn&#039;t know of any slowdown of Vista itself due to .NET (those old pre-Vista rumors its GUI would be completely implemeted in .NET didn&#039;t come true).
C is used for the core as it offers the most common denominator to interface with other programming languages and models - the same reason unix and linux are written in C. I don&#039;t think that this will change any time soon as it will break too much applications realying on this. Though I&#039;d prefer an OOP based OS myself.
I&#039;ve used Vista the last years (for quite some time even on my 1.8GHz, 1GB Ram developement machine) and am now using 7 - I haven&#039;t seen any noteworthy speed improvements - I tend to like the new desktop features of 7. Taskbar has really improved. 7 has definitely more bells and whistles regarding usability and visuals. I don&#039;t know the situation with netbooks - there 7 could well be faster than Vista as 7 is said to be not as ressource hungry as Vista. Vista was created for modern computers and not for old, limited hardware (since thats what at least atoms are: refurbished old technology with less power consumption - but hey, there&#039;s nothing wrong with that except the expectation to run cpu, ram or visual intense software on it).
woah - I got carried away somewhere - didn&#039;t mean to bash you in any way - it&#039;s just that the whole .NET and Vista thing is such a typical misconception - what&#039;s important in the end is that the user likes his computing experience, whatever OS he uses</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have to disagree. .NET isn&#8217;t like the Java Runtime Environment, which compiles to byte code which is then interpreted. .NET compiles to MSIL but before execution that is always compiled to native code, no interpreter involved. There are even cases where managed code is faster than unmanaged. .NET is just one way to program visuals in Vista (or XP or 7), but it&#8217;s not the only and not all visuals of Vista are created with .NET. I wouldn&#8217;t know of any slowdown of Vista itself due to .NET (those old pre-Vista rumors its GUI would be completely implemeted in .NET didn&#8217;t come true).</p>
<p>C is used for the core as it offers the most common denominator to interface with other programming languages and models &#8211; the same reason unix and linux are written in C. I don&#8217;t think that this will change any time soon as it will break too much applications realying on this. Though I&#8217;d prefer an OOP based OS myself.</p>
<p>I&#8217;ve used Vista the last years (for quite some time even on my 1.8GHz, 1GB Ram developement machine) and am now using 7 &#8211; I haven&#8217;t seen any noteworthy speed improvements &#8211; I tend to like the new desktop features of 7. Taskbar has really improved. 7 has definitely more bells and whistles regarding usability and visuals. I don&#8217;t know the situation with netbooks &#8211; there 7 could well be faster than Vista as 7 is said to be not as ressource hungry as Vista. Vista was created for modern computers and not for old, limited hardware (since thats what at least atoms are: refurbished old technology with less power consumption &#8211; but hey, there&#8217;s nothing wrong with that except the expectation to run cpu, ram or visual intense software on it).</p>
<p>woah &#8211; I got carried away somewhere &#8211; didn&#8217;t mean to bash you in any way &#8211; it&#8217;s just that the whole .NET and Vista thing is such a typical misconception &#8211; what&#8217;s important in the end is that the user likes his computing experience, whatever OS he uses</p>
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		<title>By: Akku</title>
		<link>http://www.ithoughts.de/windows-7/comment-page-1#comment-439</link>
		<dc:creator>Akku</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 18 Feb 2010 06:53:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yeah indeed - I wasn&#039;t too exact on that. Okay, to complete this and become more technical:
All Windows-Versions use the horrible Windows core that&#039;s entirely C (including Vista and 7). Since Vista they used .NET intermediate language (managed code) for the visuals - which was a lot slower a first, for political reasons, as they were trying to push their .NET framework for developers and thought that computers would get faster anyways. Well, then came netbooks and Vista was too slow. .NET means it could be programmed in C#, C++ or some other languages - but thats just the syntax thats compiled into the intermediate language afterwards anyways, I picked C# because it&#039;s the language you usually think of when you think of .NET.
It is rumored that they used more C in Windows 7 in places they relied on .NET for the visuals and interfaces, but I guess it were just behind-the-scenes-improvements on the Windows Presentation Foundation (this is the .NET managed code that&#039;s reponsible for all the flashy effects of Win Vista and Win 7) and some optimizations to the uses of the old C-Windows core that they didn&#039;t have enough time for when they were late on scheudule with Vista.
I know Windows Vista, as colleagues, my girlfriend, my brother and my father use it. I also used it at work for one month on my programming machine before switching to 7 - and it IS faster. It might be posible that Vista has become faster since it was released (mostly due to upgrades to .NET and WPF), but it surely has not reached the speed of Windows 7.
Windows 8 is said to be the first Windows that doesn&#039;t rely on the old Windows Core anymore and that shall be only managed code. I&#039;m really looking forward to that, as working with the WinAPI is hard enough and I&#039;m sure working with the core directly must be a horror for Microsoft.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yeah indeed &#8211; I wasn&#8217;t too exact on that. Okay, to complete this and become more technical: </p>
<p>All Windows-Versions use the horrible Windows core that&#8217;s entirely C (including Vista and 7). Since Vista they used .NET intermediate language (managed code) for the visuals &#8211; which was a lot slower a first, for political reasons, as they were trying to push their .NET framework for developers and thought that computers would get faster anyways. Well, then came netbooks and Vista was too slow. .NET means it could be programmed in C#, C++ or some other languages &#8211; but thats just the syntax thats compiled into the intermediate language afterwards anyways, I picked C# because it&#8217;s the language you usually think of when you think of .NET. </p>
<p>It is rumored that they used more C in Windows 7 in places they relied on .NET for the visuals and interfaces, but I guess it were just behind-the-scenes-improvements on the Windows Presentation Foundation (this is the .NET managed code that&#8217;s reponsible for all the flashy effects of Win Vista and Win 7) and some optimizations to the uses of the old C-Windows core that they didn&#8217;t have enough time for when they were late on scheudule with Vista.</p>
<p>I know Windows Vista, as colleagues, my girlfriend, my brother and my father use it. I also used it at work for one month on my programming machine before switching to 7 &#8211; and it IS faster. It might be posible that Vista has become faster since it was released (mostly due to upgrades to .NET and WPF), but it surely has not reached the speed of Windows 7.</p>
<p>Windows 8 is said to be the first Windows that doesn&#8217;t rely on the old Windows Core anymore and that shall be only managed code. I&#8217;m really looking forward to that, as working with the WinAPI is hard enough and I&#8217;m sure working with the core directly must be a horror for Microsoft.</p>
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		<title>By: Bjoern</title>
		<link>http://www.ithoughts.de/windows-7/comment-page-1#comment-438</link>
		<dc:creator>Bjoern</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 17 Feb 2010 23:45:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Two things: Vista wasn&#039;t implemented in C# and Windows 7 is essentially Vista with an overhauled desktop and some tweaking (Vista is Windows 6.0, 7 is Windows 6.1).
Ok, two more points: If you didn&#039;t use Vista how do you know 7 is MUCH fast than Vista? And I would recommend everyone using XP to upgrade for security reasons.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Two things: Vista wasn&#8217;t implemented in C# and Windows 7 is essentially Vista with an overhauled desktop and some tweaking (Vista is Windows 6.0, 7 is Windows 6.1).<br />
Ok, two more points: If you didn&#8217;t use Vista how do you know 7 is MUCH fast than Vista? And I would recommend everyone using XP to upgrade for security reasons.</p>
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